I live in a house with radiant ceiling heat in VT. Michael -- thanks for citing the research from Canada. To my surprise there was power in all the wires even after i cut them. Erfahren Sie hierzu mehr in der Houzz Cookie-Richtlinie. One of the rooms heating has gone out. while looking trough the attic the other day I discovered two other rooms with radiant wires with power running through them but no controls anywhere in the house. resistance heating is resistance heating ..the difference in heat distribution might affect how people setup thermostat and the total energy use ..but unltimately not by much. Very stable with 5" concrete on steel deck slabs When we replaced the furnace, we added digital thermostats with no issues in all 3 zones. It is a unique feature of hydronic heating that one can change his mind. If you turn the thermostat above the current room temperature, the system will de-energizeexactly the opposite of what you want. Baseboards have a High Surface Temperature. If you use an electrician, let him know you've done the research so you don't get screwed on the replacement switch. I sent them both a website inquiry. Does anybody know about the panels from this company or the panels with embedded wires in general as it pertains to asbestos risk? "This type of heating has the same advantages of other forms of electric resistance heat, including electric resistance baseboard, electric mats under your tile floor, and electric resistance space heaters. These differences cause some owners to be dissatisfied with the overall operation of the system. Whats more: In a family with members who prefer different temperatures, zoning makes it so that everyone can get through the winter comfortably. Hi, my home was built in 1966, and I have ceiling radiant heat. This research area is currently underway as a multi-project research area. Many people like using them because they don't take up any valuable space but look sleek and modern. It's very comfortable and maintenance-free. Click here to Find a Contractor in your area. You write that your theory is "borne out by many independent tests." I have the same issue and I dont know what it is but my electric bills are through the roof. Below is the link to the guidelines. Read on for an examination of three main issues that factor into home heat decision-making today. We ended up placing simple electric floor heaters in those rooms. Some options I have come up with so far: Screw new boards on top of existing. The answer, Warmboard found, was to combine hydronic tubing with lightweight, highly conductive aluminum. By Michael Franco Updated Jul 25, 2017 4:13 PM. https://radiantcooling.com/how-radiant-ceiling-works/. Visit https://heatinghelp.com/contact-us/. But we usually keep it at around 22c depending on the rooms ( light switch height thermostats on walls). And as soon as I get through reading all the info here I will be looking for somebody to inspect ours. Between radiant and forced air heating and cooling, there are a world . Not only would the concrete take too long to heat up, but it would also continue to radiate for several hours after the thermostat had been turned down or off. The lines leading to and from the grid had no continuity, so I began to suspect a broken wire somewhere in the grid. worst heating ever and super inefficient. At the thermostat, with power to the system and the thermostat turned off, you should have 220v across the thermostat. There are many benefits to choosing a radiant heat ceiling as the heating option for your home. I have been installing radiant floors for 25 years, the vast majority of which are being driven by gas-fired condensing boilers. We like it very much. air to air heat pumps and waste oil systems in all of N.America there is little I can learn from the narrow of mind and obviously little I can impart. -Patrick Beebe-Sweet, MBA in Green Construction. In most of the country, we can't afford to use electric resistance heat. 3. If you are sitting under a vent when the heat comes on, you know what I mean. Channel manager at Calorique. . Is there anything we can use to see for sure where it is so we could make a hold for the box? Looks like it's for trades though. But for homeowners who want warmth more than anything else, the reason to choose a radiant system is that its design and technology always ensure maximum comfort. We use the bathroom zone in the winter but otherwise we keep it at 50 degrees and heat with wood. https://www.pmmag.com/articles/101670-john-siegenthaler-radiant-panel-systems Steve, Prior to replacement, we were burning oil like mad! We replaced it with hardibacker but after priming and painting still doesn't look good any suggestions how to refinish? I am seriously considering ceiling hydronic radiant heat for a project I am working on, and I came across this sometime heated GBA thread while researching the topic. 1st, the purpose of ceiling radiant heat is NOT to make you feel warm as in sunlight, it IS to warm the surfaces below; flooring,furniture,etc.,therefore warming the living space fully from the bottom up!! With wood, coal, propane, solar thermal, oil, ground source. While the origins of radiant floor heating stretch way back into the mists of history, the technology has come of age only in recent years. Sort: Prev Next: You are not authorized to post a reply. Be open to learning. From above heating feels very,good on a cold terrace though, The floor keeps in between 21c and 27c House was built in early 1970s. The best way for one to reduce their energy consumption is to use electric radiant ceiling heat. Bedrooms are so comfortable at times it is not even necessary to turn on heat in those rooms unless temperatures become extremely frigid. This won't delete the articles you've saved, just the list. Our condo (built in the 60-'s) has a ceiling radiant heat system. I found this forum trying to see if it was safe. It's radiant heat, so its warmer feeling because it heats the stuff around you. Just seeing if anyone has come across ceiling heating before? We have radiant heat in our ceiings. Air quality benefits too, since there are no dust-spreading, allergy-exacerbating ducts at play here. Check into a company out of Wareham, MA. Not so much. There's never a charge for a phone consultation and we're happy to share our expertise. how do I know for sure I have a reading on a ceiling joist and wont be putting a heavy ceiling screw in the heating system?? And don't confuse radiant versus forced air heat with electric versus gas fuel supply. http://www.toolbase.org/PDF/CaseStudies/enerjoy_case_study.pdf. (But ductless heat pumps sure could change it up!). Radiant flooring provides considerable design flexibility and warms chilly feet. We used a condensing water heater for combined efficiency. Now hydronic radiant is something else .. as you choose energy source. I managed to remove the drywall from around the wires, so they are intact, but now I have a loop of wire that I'm not going to be able to re-embed. 800 sq ft at 65 degrees only on in two rooms all winter and it runs close to 300 a month November -late March. This is a good alternative to houses with central heating system. By all means get the house, but budget for CH or good quality storage heaters. Hydronic radiant heat circulates hot water through a series of pipes embedded in the walls, floors, or ceilings. It was built in 1970 and came with the house. Ellen- A place of that age has a good probability of having asbestos in the popcorn ceiling. Radiant ceiling heat: This system heats the room from the top to the bottom. 25% more in the 1950s house and 10% more in the modern house. . I told her it would be too hot as the day warms up. Warmboard, a leading radiant manufacturer, designates a separate thermostat for separate zones, enabling customers to minimize household energy usage. I beg to differ, Robert. It appears the wires are embedded in the drywall. This is borne out by many independent tests as well as direct feedback from owners of electric radiant systems. Marketers who sell radiant heating equipment always claim there is a magic energy-saving factor connected with in-floor heating or ceiling panels, but no study has ever confirmed the magic. Only drawback was you still had to put . How can I find local installers of it.? Robert, Most parts of the country are paying about $1 a therm for natural gas. After they closed I went with Lowes. Most radiant heating systems are in the floor, and last time I checked most occupants of a house are near the floor. I agree with your first statement, but it is contradicted by the second. The human body is a radiator and it is also a detector of radiant heat. waste of time ?? capabilities with low-temperature and low-intensity energy sources such as solar systems and heat pumps (Kilkis et al., 1995) (4) while maintaining acceptable thermal comfort (Imanari et al., ( i don't see how it would change anythign beyond +-5% ). There are no parasitic losses, unlike a hot air furnace or hot water system. This feature has been temporarily disabled during the beta site preview. http://www.radiantec.com/why/technical-explanation.php, Partial quote: Electrical Safety Advice | ElectriciansForums.net. I'm going to look him up and call him to ask his opinion. Steve Kilbride, what do you pay for a KWH along with location and heating degree days? You posted a similar comment on this page on Feb. 9, 2012. So if youre sleeping in a second-floor bedroom, you no longer need to cover the cost necessary to keep the unoccupied first-floor at 70 degrees. The very first radiant heating systems emerged in the Roman Empire. Radiant ceilings accelerate fast, when needed, to meet a big change in heating load. So whereas a forced-air furnace has to work overtime, consuming extra energy to make up for its losses, radiant panels waste virtually no energy when running. Radiant ceiling heat, 1969 home, Trying to find ceiling joist with a stud finder.. it seems to be picking up radiant heat as well.. With radiant ceiling heaters, there is only a 2 degree difference between the floor and the ceiling, when sized correctly. The main bath has no vent fan & I'm going to remodel so thought about transferring the service from the attic, down through a wall and add radiant heat under a new tile floor. I will have a professional come and do the work and getback to the discussion with the results. It consists of a metal grid that hangs from the rafters and heats up when electricity flows through it (similar to how you might use radiant floor heat). Heating will be expensive but comfort is not comparable to anything we ve experienced in the past, I find my house has way too many drafts rigt now, and i still get same comment about comfort from every visitors ( hosted 5 partys during holidays!!! Of course, Wright was ahead of his time in more ways than one, so it was not until decades after his death that radiant heat finally came into focus. I understand where you're coming from - it's a very common belief that you can equate a therm with the equivalent kilowatt and just multiply the costs to get a comparative answer, the truth is you simply can't. There is a 3-wire cable for each room that runs 2 hot wires and an unshielded ground from the breaker box to each room for 220v. I look into my electrical cabinet and wondering what are the reasons or when to consider some upgrades. Numerous researches on radiant heating systems have followed then, mostly evaluating the advantages and disadvantages of this type of heating system and comparing with the traditional Barker's system was very popular in England, but faded away during all of that World War I business. It's the kind with wires spaced throughout the ceiling. 1970's retro fit rear car window heater built in, thick visible tracks) are fragile and easily damaged. Can anyone suggest a thermostat that works with the in ceiling closed loop radiant heat? ft. of glass facing north. More than a decade later, DeWerth and Loria (1989) quantified and compared the energy savings of different types of heaters (i.e. Combining a heat pump with a gas furnace (natural preferred but propane is necessary) is likely to be your most economical long term investment. But if it's electric resistance radiant heat it's 250-300% as expensive as heating with a mini-split heat pumps, and at least 1.5-2x as expensive as heating with non-modulating ducted heat pumps. One of the styrofoam tiles fell out and it apears that the popcorn ceiling is covering the heating elements. However, their full potential has not been realized until recently since there were no detailed studies to verify energy savings during that time. Update Bernie Gerry We purchased the house, and it was built in 1968 not late 70s. Typically radiant ceilings in cooling absorb heat for 60-70% by radiation and the remaining (30-40%) by natural convection. Last Post 03 Feb 2009 06:25 PM by walltech. I agree with you David - sort of. A/C 15 SEER Heil heatpump system installed in attic with 95% efficient LP furnace with variable speed and 2 stage blower and 16 SEER A/C only condensor. The licensed electrictoon is retired but is still alive. Here's an excerpt from a paper I have (which references many other studies). Expected life - According to the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB), a cadet-type wall heater or baseboard heater has a 10-15 year expected life. But had i know better, i'd still would've consider heat pumps as main heat source because of the cost difference vs resistance. As for studies showing that it is cheaper to heat a house with radiant heat, please refer to a Fine Homebuilding article printed in 1992. Radiant and convective heating systems produce different thermal comfort environments and generally differ in energy consumption due to their nature of heat delivery or removal. Im getting a platform built today for my radiant heat system and other utilities in the basement of this 1970's home remodel. Compared to convective heaters, radiant heaters may be operated at a lower air temperature (Hart, 1981; Zmeureanu et al., 1988; Howell and Suryanarayana, 1990; Kalisperis et al., Steve, These heaters permanently installed inside a ceiling, are very quiet. ive also cut 4-1/2 holes between joists for can lights and have not seen any wires in the cross section of gypsum board. Its 200 gallons. That's 100,000 Btu, or 29 kWh. Now, they won't turn off. In the wealthiest citizens homes, the walls and floors were buttressed by slim chambers called hypocausts. energy consumption (Zmeureanu et al., 1988; Howell and Suryanarayana, 1990; Imanari et al., 1999; Petras and Kalus, 2000; Miriel et al., 2002; Feng et al., 2006) and (3) favorable tie-in We realize this will make it tough to install ductwork for central AC, but it has a decent wall unit. But yes thanks if I ever need to take the ceiling out I will have it check for asbestos. Some people prefer hot feet -- some people prefer a hot head. However I'd be happy to go into greater detail at another time, perhaps in another topic area that is more appropriate. If you want steady, even heat in your home, one option is to forego traditional systems in favor of radiant heat. "Studies conducted by the American Society of Heating, Refrigeration and Air Conditioning Engineers (ASHRAE) indicate that with radiant heating systems people can be comfortable at temperatures 6F to 8F lower than with convective systems. #9. (typical houses in those days were all 1/2" regular walls and ceilings) It was a really clean even radiant heat. There was 1260 watts of heating installed in this area, along with 576 watts of fluorescent tubes. The technology has been around for yearscenturies, in factbut only more recently has it become a viable whole-home solution. Was this under ceiling heating an infra red radiant panel? All of the homes were designed to be heated with a new type of system called radiant heat; Levittown was the first development of radiantly heated homes in America. One thing I will add is we hung a ceiling light and had to buy a stud finder from Lowes so that we didnt hit the radiant system. But dont let the arrival of spring distract you from the reality that, if you were uncomfortable at home during the cold months, you are likely to be uncomfortable again. The heating working great, I just want a digital thermostat put in. my location makes a difference, because 1 electricity is ok priced here and 2, i do not have access to any other fuel sources :( Idiots like this harm people all the time!! I appreciate your input! ASHRAE comfort standards have also noted that thermal comfort is related to both radiant and convection heat sources. I got the Line Voltage Thermostat at Grainger for about the same price as available online. The remainder of sheets were 5/8 firecode. Kick the 'stat back to the mid-60's - who needs a hot bedroom? Swapping in a condensing gas boiler for an electric boiler would indeed be far cheaper (and greener) for most of us. Many houses built during the 1960s and 1970s, in areas not served by natural gas suppliers, incorporated electric cable ceiling heat as the primary means of keeping the interiors warm during the cold months of the year. You are using an out of date browser. the ceiling was torn down with new insulation and pour barrier installed. Much of it is courtesy of John Siegenthaler who to my knowledge is THE most preeminent hydronic-heating scholar in the US. Radiant ceiling heat has been available in some form for over 50 years. Compared with concrete, aluminum is a staggering 232 times more conductive. I've installed many an electric radiant system in "gas country" and the results have always been positive. Manufactured gypsum board heating panels use an electrical heating element in 16-mm (f-in.) https://www.pmmag.com/ext/resources/PM/2014/June/016-020-0614-Siggy.pdf, Two other pieces to be taken with a grain of salt since it's from a manufacturer/dealer, but still useful (under 5 minute read each): Fire Resistive Glazing Blocks Radiant Heat. Maybe we are getting away from the initial topic, but just to be clear the focus of my comments are: - radiant heating versus forced air heat to produce a given comfort level for human occupants I read about it, and anticipated that we d be comfortable with lower temp, When the delivery systems are similar a BTU is a BTU. Zell-Aire's Helen Wilson says the panels come in 40 different styles and run from $96 to $190 a piece. I need to replace my thermostats, as they don't really seem to shut off the heat. By the way, I heated 2200 s.f. Radiant ceilings can easily operate at surface temperatures up to 100 F, delivering in excess of 55 Btu per square foot. Nuns convent: Outdoor kitchen counters for an indoor kitchen? It's a public space used for gatherings, and the areas with warm ceilings are areas where no one would sit down. The best way for one to reduce their energy consumption is to use electric radiant ceiling heat. Kevin, still here and reading all with interest. The hardware of this device is mounted over the head making it very practical for homeowner living in small houses. Here are the warnings in their own words - Today, innovative systems allow homeowners to target different temperatures for different parts of the home. Results showed that the in-space heaters used less energy (gas or electric) than the central system, e.g. We liked to have our bedroom cold and the rest of house warm. Voltage from each hot wire to one of the grid leads showed 85v, same as my good room. Check to see if the ceiling heat is a film and possibly wireless..then there would be no worries. I apologize for sounding preachy but it might help if you check out this book: http://www.pexsupply.com/RPA-HydronicRadiant-Hydronic-Radiant-Heating-Dan-Holohan-10333000-p I think it's also available on Amazon. She hears cracking sounds in the ceiling soon after heat is on. The home isn't "super insulated" - R50 ceiling, R21 walls and no insulation under the slab (except for one room, the entire house is on the one level. There is usually a 3" wide by 8" long drywall repair that needs to be made. This was in contrast to a traditional. They, in turn, reference dozens of other studies. Give us a call at 562-595-1448 to find out . Sounds like you are doing well with your set up. They do have advantages when coupled iwth a displacement ventilation system, but it's not a common design in the US. These panels appear to be gypsum board and I dont have a hidden spot to take a sampling for an asbestos test. Sie knnen nicht notwendige Cookies ber Einstellungen verwalten ablehnen. I have lived here for 24 years and I absolutely LOVE this heating!! $500 for winter heat is great. We are very happy with the radiant system. The complete source for building, designing, and remodeling green homes. I have a new home and it has radiant heat in ceiling that goes back to the 1950's and has black pipe as coils. Unfortunately, it's very expensive and doesn't even begin to heat my 1500 square foot home. In part, radiant excels in efficiency because, unlike forced-air systems with imperfect ductwork,the former isnt vulnerable to heat loss. Mein Benutzererlebnis mit Cookies anpassen, Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Outdoor Lighting & Audio/Visual Specialists, Recessed lights in a ceiling with radiant electric heat. It was comment #24. Should we be concerned? in the Electrical Forum area at ElectriciansForums.net, This official sponsor may provide discounts to registered members. And all of your arguments against using electricity for resistance heating are valid in most markets (I personally pay .045 cent/kW). The previous owner also added gas forced air heat. I did the work myself, because this is a very simple circuit. UPDATE 1/21/2017 -- they are now saying (they = insurance and restoration professionals working with them) that is was the bathroom light fixture, not the ceiling heat, and it makes sense. I figured it out and installed a new thermostat today, wish I could have figured it out at the beginning of the heating system. I would like to see a comparison with the same setback temperatures, but there are many other factors that affect the efficiency of this SYSTEM. i want a new thermostat so this discussion help me deside maybe my son in law can not be the one to put the thermostat in. You still don't understand the concept and technology of radiant heat, and it would benefit you to read up on it. Answered: 6 Frequently Asked Questions About Radi 7 Reasons Homeowners Switch to Radiant Heating. Then the heat suddenly turns off, and it stays off until the room gets cold enough to snap the system back into action. (I might not have this totally right either, because this is very complex, but I am all for learning where I might be wrong. How is the electric service run to the grid? Is it laid atop the drywall in some kind of grid? . In general, these studies proved that radiant heating systems offer the potential of (1) reduced heating unit sizes (due to reduced heat load and peak load), (2) reduced Performance. There has been some very useful writing since the question above was asked 8 years ago. Copper tubing however, is able to handle temperatures and fluctuations without damage . I don't know too much about radiant heating system in general. You act as if people are concocting magic when they discuss radiant heat but standing in the sun on a cold day should provide ample evidence that radiant heat is fundamentally different from heating the air, and the fact is this method of heat transfer to the human body is fairly efficient. JavaScript is disabled. If you look at a simple termperature response curve of a various radiant elements, you'll note that different efficiencies (measured in terms of radiated and convected J/KWh) can be obtained in via different designs. I recently created a new circuit for an electric oven at my friend's Smart Heating System - Heatmiser or other? http://www.toolbase.org/PDF/CaseStudies/enerjoy_case_study.pdf, http://www.pexsupply.com/RPA-HydronicRadiant-Hydronic-Radiant-Heating-Dan-Holohan-10333000-p, http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Hydronic-Heating-Residential-Commercial/dp/1428335153/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1328759341&sr=8-1, http://www.radiantec.com/why/technical-explanation.php, http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/publications/en/rh-pr/tech/01-106-e.html, https://www.pmmag.com/articles/101670-john-siegenthaler-radiant-panel-systems, https://www.pmmag.com/ext/resources/PM/2014/June/016-020-0614-Siggy.pdf, https://radiantcooling.com/radiant-ceiling-vs-radaint-floor/, https://radiantcooling.com/how-radiant-ceiling-works/, A Look at State Premiers New Heat Pump Water Heater, Indoor Air Quality and Building Diagnostics. To save energy, a centrally-heated home (e.g. Be cautious around the Thermalux ceiling heat system. 2. My mom has electric ceiling heat and she has a digital T-stat. All other rooms work.Who can I contact in virginia to service this kind of heat?The type of ceiling that I have is panel lettic in which theelements are wired in prefab drywall. ), I ve personally visited a housenwith ceiling radiant panels, andi didnt like it My spouse died 9 years ago so I rely on others to help me with their opinions. The owner left me no history on the installation. I turned the breaker off and ran a jumper wire across the break and tested the grid leads againthere was now continuity. To make electric resistance heat competitive with natural gas, you'd have to have a rate of 3 cents a kwh. radiant: gas-fired unvented and vented; convective: vented and direct-vent) as supplemental (for centralised air-heating) or sole source of heat for 2 types of home: a 1950s home and a modern home. Small Business. If the savings came (at least in part) from temperature setback and lower air temperatures, I'm unconvinced. Radiant heat and convection heating are different approaches to space heating and they do not deliver the equivalent results. A quote from the study you linked to: "Because a portion of the energy savings with the Enerjoy system was related to room by room setback and the specific number and routines of the research home occupants, savings for other households may be different than those obtained in this study. I don't understand why you keep painting me as an advocate of using ceiling electric radiant panels as the sole source for heating homes. There's no downside to that. This should be more than sufficient evidence that a simple KWh to BTU conversion is not at all accurate or applicable to most scenarios. It works fabulously. Certainly, there are aesthetic advantages to a heating system that does not force you to decorate around bulky radiators or wall-hugging baseboards. 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